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Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:03 am
by Joe Lanza
ErinQuinn wrote:Very interested to see the new (temporary) venue on Decker Ln. Also close to my house, so that's a big plus

Card announced so far

Brian Cage vs EC3
Big Top Tag Titles: Britt Baker & ? vs Jack Evans & Angelico
Delilah Doom vs Chelsea Green vs Joey Ryan
Sideshow Title: Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron
Jordan Len-X vs Flip Gordon vs JT Dunn vs Trey Miguel
Keith Lee vs Scorpio Sky
Bestia 666 vs Mecha Wolf vs Laredo Kid
Sammy Guevara vs Jay White

Some good stuff in here, even though I wish the multiperson matches were split up. Guevara vs White has potential to be fantastic
This card sucks. Especially since the "Texas vs The World" gimmick had so much potential.

This is the weakest looking card on paper they've ever done. They seem to be falling in love with the cutesy IG stuff. Three more shitty IG matches this month. Imagine booking Jack Evans & Angelico and wasting them vs Britt Baker & ???, a month after doing the same with RPG Vice. And who on planet Earth gives a shit about Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron?

Take away Sammy G vs Jay White and maybe the wacky lucha three way and this is a straight up garbage card.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:25 am
by Rottenrocker
I think the WC honeymoon is officially over. Damn.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:46 am
by supersonic
Expecting a preview on the Flagship.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:34 am
by RolandGunner
Joe Lanza wrote:
ErinQuinn wrote:Very interested to see the new (temporary) venue on Decker Ln. Also close to my house, so that's a big plus

Card announced so far

Brian Cage vs EC3
Big Top Tag Titles: Britt Baker & ? vs Jack Evans & Angelico
Delilah Doom vs Chelsea Green vs Joey Ryan
Sideshow Title: Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron
Jordan Len-X vs Flip Gordon vs JT Dunn vs Trey Miguel
Keith Lee vs Scorpio Sky
Bestia 666 vs Mecha Wolf vs Laredo Kid
Sammy Guevara vs Jay White

Some good stuff in here, even though I wish the multiperson matches were split up. Guevara vs White has potential to be fantastic
This card sucks. Especially since the "Texas vs The World" gimmick had so much potential.

This is the weakest looking card on paper they've ever done. They seem to be falling in love with the cutesy IG stuff. Three more shitty IG matches this month. Imagine booking Jack Evans & Angelico and wasting them vs Britt Baker & ???, a month after doing the same with RPG Vice. And who on planet Earth gives a shit about Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron?

Take away Sammy G vs Jay White and maybe the wacky lucha three way and this is a straight up garbage card.
Not their best card for sure, but some of the inter-gender stuff was driven by necessity. Clearly the plan was for Blanchard to face Christi Jaynes here but booking that would be awkward given how the #1 contender match completely fell apart last month. So they're buying time with Kondron.

And the mystery partner for the tag match was supposed to be Adam Cole before he went to NXT. You could argue that the WC people should have known Cole was going to leave soon but he was one of the three or four biggest stars on the indies a month ago. Its not a crazy risk to take, especially since the RPG Vice guys are in Japan now.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:45 am
by Joe Lanza
RolandGunner wrote:
Joe Lanza wrote:
ErinQuinn wrote:Very interested to see the new (temporary) venue on Decker Ln. Also close to my house, so that's a big plus

Card announced so far

Brian Cage vs EC3
Big Top Tag Titles: Britt Baker & ? vs Jack Evans & Angelico
Delilah Doom vs Chelsea Green vs Joey Ryan
Sideshow Title: Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron
Jordan Len-X vs Flip Gordon vs JT Dunn vs Trey Miguel
Keith Lee vs Scorpio Sky
Bestia 666 vs Mecha Wolf vs Laredo Kid
Sammy Guevara vs Jay White

Some good stuff in here, even though I wish the multiperson matches were split up. Guevara vs White has potential to be fantastic
This card sucks. Especially since the "Texas vs The World" gimmick had so much potential.

This is the weakest looking card on paper they've ever done. They seem to be falling in love with the cutesy IG stuff. Three more shitty IG matches this month. Imagine booking Jack Evans & Angelico and wasting them vs Britt Baker & ???, a month after doing the same with RPG Vice. And who on planet Earth gives a shit about Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron?

Take away Sammy G vs Jay White and maybe the wacky lucha three way and this is a straight up garbage card.
Not their best card for sure, but some of the inter-gender stuff was driven by necessity. Clearly the plan was for Blanchard to face Christi Jaynes here but booking that would be awkward given how the #1 contender match completely fell apart last month. So they're buying time with Kondron.

And the mystery partner for the tag match was supposed to be Adam Cole before he went to NXT. You could argue that the WC people should have known Cole was going to leave soon but he was one of the three or four biggest stars on the indies a month ago. Its not a crazy risk to take, especially since the RPG Vice guys are in Japan now.
The entire universe knew Cole was headed to WWE, i'm not letting them off the hook for that. Either way it's weak & gimmicky to put the titles on Baker to begin with. I'd much prefer they build strong women's divisions than water things down with IG.

I get that they can't do Jaynes this month, but why Kondron? Again, it comes off gimmicky and it won't be good. Book another woman. I fall on the side of the argument that IG is anti progression, in that Blanchard could be facing a woman in this match, but instead they not only book a dude instead, which makes for a shittier match, but also a dude that's office. I mean, you have Delilah Doom & Green already booked, ffs.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:49 am
by ErinQuinn
Yeah, I'm not getting nor in favor of whatever they're doing by put two titles on Tessa, but ya know, at least um...Kondron beat acclaimed star Bradi Rhodes last show....so yeah...


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Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:51 am
by ErinQuinn
Theres two women who could take on Tessa for the womens title that are booked against Joey...

Dangit now I'm turning on this card



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Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:53 am
by Joe Lanza
ErinQuinn wrote:Yeah, I'm not getting nor in favor of whatever they're doing by put two titles on Tessa, but ya know, at least um...Kondron beat acclaimed star Bradi Rhodes last show....so yeah...


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I'm guessing Kondron wins the Sideshow. I'm beating a dead horse, but I'd rather see Blanchard defend the Lady of the Ring whatever it's called. Idk. This promotion is starting to feel like Beyond with the forced IG shit. Maybe it's just me.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:19 am
by RolandGunner
Joe Lanza wrote:
RolandGunner wrote:
Joe Lanza wrote:
This card sucks. Especially since the "Texas vs The World" gimmick had so much potential.

This is the weakest looking card on paper they've ever done. They seem to be falling in love with the cutesy IG stuff. Three more shitty IG matches this month. Imagine booking Jack Evans & Angelico and wasting them vs Britt Baker & ???, a month after doing the same with RPG Vice. And who on planet Earth gives a shit about Tessa Blanchard vs Kevin Kondron?

Take away Sammy G vs Jay White and maybe the wacky lucha three way and this is a straight up garbage card.
Not their best card for sure, but some of the inter-gender stuff was driven by necessity. Clearly the plan was for Blanchard to face Christi Jaynes here but booking that would be awkward given how the #1 contender match completely fell apart last month. So they're buying time with Kondron.

And the mystery partner for the tag match was supposed to be Adam Cole before he went to NXT. You could argue that the WC people should have known Cole was going to leave soon but he was one of the three or four biggest stars on the indies a month ago. Its not a crazy risk to take, especially since the RPG Vice guys are in Japan now.
The entire universe knew Cole was headed to WWE, i'm not letting them off the hook for that. Either way it's weak & gimmicky to put the titles on Baker to begin with. I'd much prefer they build strong women's divisions than water things down with IG.

I get that they can't do Jaynes this month, but why Kondron? Again, it comes off gimmicky and it won't be good. Book another woman. I fall on the side of the argument that IG is anti progression, in that Blanchard could be facing a woman in this match, but instead they not only book a dude instead, which makes for a shittier match, but also a dude that's office. I mean, you have Delilah Doom & Green already booked, ffs.
Broadly, I agree that WC does too many IG matches and needs to slow it way down but there doesn't seem to be a better choice right now. The crowd really likes Doom and I think she could be a strong challenger at some point but has been booked at least as half a comedy act. Having her job in a title match with no build would only set her further back. Chelsea Green has only had one match here and it wasn't very good. Kondron at least is coming off a win and does have some heat. Do this match and then start working to build more legitimate women so this doesn't happen again is my view.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:23 pm
by rovert
The card is unappealing trash with perplexing match making for the most part but it is a benefit show for Hurricane Harvey so people even "us" shouldn't be too hard on Wrestle Circus this go around in my opinion.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:20 am
by RolandGunner
After all the discussion about how WC books too many IG matches they re-do the card at the last minute to get down to one... and then book another in a 'surprise' match between Christi Jaynes and one of the Inspire guys. The two integender matches were also the worst on the show by a good distance. Still worth watching the second half of the show for Blanchard / Baker and Sammy / Jay White.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:45 pm
by ErinQuinn
The changes to the card were a huge improvement, IMO, though it felt like they were made due to travel/injury issues and not because anyone looked at the card and realized 3 IG matches were too much
1. Flip Gordon def. Trey Miguel, JT Dunn, & Jordan Len-X: Solid opener, spots, really hard for anyone to stand out especially Miguel who was making his debut
2. Big Top Tag Titles: Extra Talented won the vacant titles by defeating Scorpio Sky & Kevin Condron: Britt Baker forfeited the titles prior to the match. Normally it'd be a bad thing for the titles to be given up for little reason, but it's better this way. ET were a very welcome surprise, and the tag match hid Condron's shortcomings. Solid match, right call to put the belts on Starks and Solow who have busted their asses for WrestleCircus and are guys on the cusp of breaking out that they should be focusing around.
3. Chelsea Green defeated Joey Ryan: I enjoy goofy stuff, so I had a decent time, and I liked the Laurel Van Ness character change; if you aren't into Joey Ryan and whacky stuff, not for you. That goes almost without saying. Self contained though, which is better than taking up a title match or what they normally do with Joey
4. Bestia 666 defeats Mecha Wolf (Mr. 450) & Laredo Kid: Didn't get too into this, especially since the four way earlier felt like the same time of match. Mr. 450 does nothing for me, and his Mad Max cosplayer gimmick is my least favorite on any show. Big waste of Laredo Kid, would have preferred him against someone like Flip and break up the other guys. There were dives! I think all these guys, here and opener, are directionless especially with two titles on Tessa Blanchard
5. Brian Cage defeated EC3: Cage will challenge Shane Strickland for the Ringmaster's Title in October at the one year anniversary show, so booking wise, it made sense that he beat the original champ who never lost the belt to secure the match. Impact TV main event really, power moves between body guys. Not having a guy he can be a base for and throw around takes a lot out of Cage's arsenal. EC3, if brought back, should really go with the only true heels in WC, Sky & Condron
6. Post Intermission Match: Christi Jaynes defeated Jojo Bravo: Haven't gotten used to Jojo's new name of J.C. Res, which I thought was just an Inspire Pro thing. Okay match, felt like a make up win to Christi after last month, so reports that WC sided with Jaynes in the Ellering debacle have even more weight. Jojo worked well with her, but I still think Christi looked better pre-STARDOM run. Not sure why.
7. Lady of the Ring & Sideshow Championship: Tessa Blanchard defeated Britt Baker: While I question putting two titles on Tessa, her and Britt delivered big time. Easily the most heat on the night so far, came across clear on the Twitch stream. Really good near falls, back and forth, and the crowd bought into Britt pulling off an upset. Tessa has been low key MVP for WC this year, bringing it big time against Rachel at SXSW, Lufisto last month, and Britt here.
8. They did an angle with Austin the Ref and Jervis; they'll be a 10 man tag; they completed the Jervis and Dick Justice one year match here, enjoyable if you're into it! Even as someone who appreciates goofy stuff in wrestling, they didn't need this plus an extra match post intermission
9. Keith Lee defeated Jack Evans: Huge benefit of the card changes, though it's too bad Angelico is out, seeing Jack against Lee is a lot better than the IG tag would have been. Evan wrestled the first third of the match with a cigarette in his mouth which was amusing and impressive as Keith tossed him around like a wrestling buddy. Jack got in all his shit. Was really fun, definitely on the goofier side as you'll get that with Jack, but I wouldn't have even thought to book this match, so glad it happened.
10. Sammy Guevara defeated Jay White: Match of the night for sure. They started a bit rough in the opening chain wrestling, but once they were used to each other, both guys went all out and the crowd got super into it. I haven't seen a lot of White in ROH, and I haven't been too impressed with his PWG stuff, but him and Sammy ended up clicking really well. Was the false finish filled match you'd expect for the main event of a super indie show. Sammy back in the main event is also great to see.

Second half the show is worth checking out, like Roland said; also the Extra Talented win just for a moment, as those guys really deserve the spotlight.

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:10 am
by supersonic

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:58 am
by supersonic

Re: Wrestle Circus - The Texas SuperIndie

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:35 pm
by armsofsleep
supersonic wrote:
First day of the WTL right? Yet another date Riddle has during the tournament, Meltzer still insisting he's part of it. Very curious.