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Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:17 am
by ScorpioCorp
I've just been thinking about the best rookie wrestlers in 2017, but it then had me thinking about the men & women behind those wrestlers. I'm curious about who are the best trainers in pro wrestling at the moment. I want to discuss the different schools & dojos that have helped to create a thriving wrestling scene.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:26 am
by ScorpioCorp
ScorpioCorp wrote:I've just been thinking about the best rookie wrestlers in 2017, but it then had me thinking about the men & women behind those wrestlers. I'm curious about who are the best trainers in pro wrestling at the moment. I want to discuss the different schools & dojos that have helped to create a thriving wrestling scene.
For example, I would hear stories about Australian guys & girls who go to Lance Storm in Canada or Mike Quackenbush in the US. It fascinates me that they have such a high reputation & are able to attract students from across the globe.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:45 pm
by Joe Lanza
I suspect this is the case with many trainers, perhaps not to the same extremes, but Quack has dual reputations as a great teacher and also as someone who is loathed to the point of vitriolic hate by a lot of people he has crossed paths with. I have spoken to people directly who were driven from the business because they felt intimidated, bullied, and manipulated by Quack.

Also worth noting that at various times over its history, the brunt of the CHIKARA training has been handled by others, from Chris Hero to Claudio Castagnoli to Jorge Rivera teaching advanced classes.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:29 pm
by mlev76
(Redacted) seems to have a done a very good job with his trainees in the ring.

Storm has certainly had a good success rate with regards to before and after he went on his own.

Unfortunately, I think one of the better ones, Buddy Wayne, just passed.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:30 pm
by mlev76
Joe Lanza wrote:I suspect this is the case with many trainers, perhaps not to the same extremes, but Quack has dual reputations as a great teacher and also as someone who is loathed to the point of vitriolic hate by a lot of people he has crossed paths with. I have spoken to people directly who were driven from the business because they felt intimidated, bullied, and manipulated by Quack.

Also worth noting that at various times over its history, the brunt of the CHIKARA training has been handled by others, from Chris Hero to Claudio Castagnoli to Jorge Rivera teaching advanced classes.
Gulak too.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:13 pm
by PKThree
This is about two Japanese promotions so sorry if this thread was meant only for American promotions.

I'm not sure if exactly who are involved in all the training in the All Japan dojo, but I believe Aoki is the or one of the main trainers there. And with resume of students like Naoya Nomura, Aoyagi, Yusuke Okada and Jake Lee (retrained) he seems to know what he is doing.

Same with whoever is in charge of NOAH's dojo. Kiyomiya is another great prospect.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:21 pm
by Joe Lanza
The NOAH dojo is about the last I would ever bring up in a discussion of good training. I'd argue it's the worst dojo in Japan, has been for 15+ years, and is a major reason they are in the business predicament they are currently in.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:25 pm
by Danwaka
Kensuke Sasaki has been a more positive contributor to NOAH as a trainer than any NOAH dojo trainer, and if you know anything about Kensuke Sasaki you know how damning that is.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:31 pm
by Ferrante207
I've heard nothing but good things about Brian Fury.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:28 pm
by SammyJ_D
Are Trey Migual, Dezmond Xavier, and Zachary Wentz all Dave Crist students? If so then he has to hop into the conversation, right?

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:47 pm
by Rich Kraetsch
SammyJ_D wrote:Are Trey Migual, Dezmond Xavier, and Zachary Wentz all Dave Crist students? If so then he has to hop into the conversation, right?
Xavier is listed as Cagematch as being "Earl The Pearl, Rich Myers & Ronnie Zukko" and the other two aren't listed on the site, FWIW.

I always have a tough time nailing this topic or discussing it because so many guys end up playing a part in someone's training and very often it's not the person whose name is on the marquee.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:49 pm
by mlev76
Rich Kraetsch wrote:
SammyJ_D wrote:Are Trey Migual, Dezmond Xavier, and Zachary Wentz all Dave Crist students? If so then he has to hop into the conversation, right?
Xavier is listed as Cagematch as being "Earl The Pearl, Rich Myers & Ronnie Zukko" and the other two aren't listed on the site, FWIW.

I always have a tough time nailing this topic or discussing it because so many guys end up playing a part in someone's training and very often it's not the person whose name is on the marquee.
I think this is a fair point and also acknowledges two things:

1) A person's 'trainer' may actually be a school or program that a name wrestler runs but may not be his/her day to day trainer. For example, Shawn Michaels is credited as training Bryan Danielson, Brian Kendrick and Paul London amongst others, but how much did he train them and how much did the people who ran the program for Michaels train them?

2) Especially now with independent wrestlers of varying levels getting some training at the PC, training has become a mulit-tiered collaborative thing at least in the US. Japan seems to have a more linear, direct program apart from the various excursions each trainee takes.

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:04 pm
by Ferrante207
Brandon Thurston Howell Howard The Third

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:28 pm
by SammyJ_D
CHIKARA and AIW are two schools that are producing quality talent but have also had multiple trainers over the past 5 years or so (not sure AIW one has actually been around that long but they have had three prominent trainers since inception I think?)

Re: Best Trainers in Wrestling

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:55 pm
by mrjoshdude
You could argue most of a wrestler's training and development comes from direct experience working shows over the course of many months/years. Once a guy gets to a certain experience level you have to think that the question of whoever trained them initially is pretty negligible. Most of how guys develop is advice they get on the road from a variety of places or seeing what does and doesn't work for themselves in front of live audiences. I think besides teaching you the basics a trainer doesn't really have much impact on a wrestler long-term.