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Re: AAA

Post by ayaashm » Thu May 05, 2016 4:22 am

Meltzer report on AAA and Octagon situation :

Octagon Jr., the former Flamita, is gone from the promotion. This stemmed from the incident reported where Octagon unmasked him at a public appearance. He went to the promotion and said that he didn’t want the headaches and the name, since it was clear to the public that he wasn’t Octagon’s son based on all the mainstream coverage of the incident. AAA wanted him to continue with the name, since they own the intellectual property and wanted to use the name since they are in legal action with Octagon and want to have the Octagon character on their roster as part of their defense. It’s expected they may use a new Octagon Jr. or Octagon II character, and tried very hard to get him to at least continue for a few months. He asked for his release and they asked him if he would continue for the next three months and then they would let him go to tie up all storylines and bookings. He said he wanted to quit immediately and AAA wanted him to buy out of his contract if he wasn’t going to work more dates. He said he had issues with his contract and wouldn’t do it. They wanted him to at least make his advertised bookings but he didn’t like being pressured so quit. Another aspect of the issue is that when he was signed and given the name, he was promised that because of the name, he’d be pushed as one of the company’s biggest stars and used on top and make more money because he’d be used as a headliner when they sold talent to local promoters. But he was mostly being used mid-card even with the name. He was also promised work with Lucha Underground, and he did appear at Ultima Lucha 2 as Night Crawl, but was never brought back for the third season even though he’s one of the best flyers in the business. We’re told the deal with Octagon was definitely part of him quitting but it was not the only reason. He claimed that AAA didn’t use him on top as promised so he thought he’d be better off building his own name that he would own elsewhere. Publicly he said that he was giving up the Octagon Jr. name to go back to his Flamita name, and said he respects Octagon but Octagon’s issues were with AAA, not him, and it should have stayed that way. He felt that he deserved more respect but also said that he can make it on his own. Octagon then congratulated him for seeing that he had made a mistake.
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Re: AAA

Post by thecubsfan » Thu May 05, 2016 5:27 am

The part about AAA needing three months to tie up Octagon Jr.'s non-existent storylines is hilarious.

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Re: AAA

Post by TKD » Thu May 05, 2016 5:46 am

To clarify a couple things, Flamita signed a contract with AAA in early November and worked as Fireball for about four months before he was made Octagón Jr.; the contract itself had nothing to do with that name situation. He gave an interview on a Christmas show (which he worked as Flamita) where you could tell that he was not particularly happy with AAA at that point; he spoke about wanting to go back to Japan and to possibly face Volador Jr. again down the line. That is not someone whose heart is in AAA. And rightfully so: he was in OPENERS about as often as in the mid-card.

He's absolutely right that he's better off in the indies. He got visa issues sorted out during his time in AAA (possibly only the lasting good thing to come out of his time there) and so now he can take indie bookings in the US. In theory, he could have done gotten US indie bookings while in AAA, but AAA's office is pretty much impossible to deal with. It's a minor miracle that he and the other AAA guys got to work Wrestlecon. And the more he gets into the US, the more he'll make off of merch sales there.

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Re: AAA

Post by ayaashm » Thu May 05, 2016 6:55 am

TKD wrote:To clarify a couple things, Flamita signed a contract with AAA in early November and worked as Fireball for about four months before he was made Octagón Jr.; the contract itself had nothing to do with that name situation. He gave an interview on a Christmas show (which he worked as Flamita) where you could tell that he was not particularly happy with AAA at that point; he spoke about wanting to go back to Japan and to possibly face Volador Jr. again down the line. That is not someone whose heart is in AAA. And rightfully so: he was in OPENERS about as often as in the mid-card.

He's absolutely right that he's better off in the indies. He got visa issues sorted out during his time in AAA (possibly only the lasting good thing to come out of his time there) and so now he can take indie bookings in the US. In theory, he could have done gotten US indie bookings while in AAA, but AAA's office is pretty much impossible to deal with. It's a minor miracle that he and the other AAA guys got to work Wrestlecon. And the more he gets into the US, the more he'll make off of merch sales there.

I just want him back in Dragon Gate. Watching his stuff with the Millenials esp. Eita has been fantastic.
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Re: AAA

Post by RobViper13 » Thu May 05, 2016 12:53 pm

ayaashm wrote:He asked for his release and they asked him if he would continue for the next three months and then they would let him go to tie up all storylines and bookings.
Where else will they find someone to stand in the background of pointless trios matches?

This company basically begged him to come in, promised him the world & on New Year's Day when he should have been headlining one of a million shows they sent him to Arena Lopez Mateos as a fill-in for a mini's tag match opener. I repeat... MINI'S TAG MATCH OPENER.
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Re: AAA

Post by ayaashm » Thu May 12, 2016 4:37 am

Meltzer on Octagon and his new "son" : Octagon’s personal Octagon Jr., that he introduced as his son is actually a wrestler who used to wrestle as Marabunta Jr. He is no relation to Octagon past claiming Octagon is his godfather.
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Re: AAA

Post by ayaashm » Thu May 19, 2016 3:56 am

Meltz on Dorian Roldan interview : "Dorian Roldan did an interview and talked about the departures. He talked about Myzteziz leaving being a complete surprise, while he had nothing bad to say about Alberto Del Rio. He said Del Rio got a fantastic offer from WWE that they couldn’t match and felt he left the right way. It’s amazing since Del Rio left with all kinds of advertised bookings and their heavyweight title belt and told them he couldn’t come back and lose it. But he’s a star and everyone wants to remain on good terms. He said that Cibernetico’s leaving is a legal issue and those things take a lot of time. He said they’d like CMLL to be part of the World Cup. He claimed last year it came close to happening, as CMLL was at one point going to send a team but didn’t. He said they’d love to have New Japan send a team (not happening with New Japan’s relationship with CMLL) and said ROH isn’t sending a team this year due to its relations with others (ROH is trying to build a relationship with CMLL so that ROH, New Japan and CMLL could be an international coalition). He said that things are in a good place and they are building for their 25th anniversary. When last year’s TripleMania was brought up, he admitted the show didn’t turn out like they liked but also noted it was an economic success.

The problem is it also badly hurt their entree into the U.S. market. Jose Manuel Guillen asked him about the loss of Konnan and Sexy Star. He claimed Sexy Star hadn’t left the promotion, even though she no-showed a title defense and hasn’t been around in months. That was brought up and Roldan said he hoped to talk with her about that. He said Konnan was gone and that Konnan has made that very clear. He said he understands that people sometimes leave unhappy but he appreciates Konnan for working with him for the past ten years but felt it was time for them to go their separate ways. He said Mini Charly Manson’s leaving was cordial but said Electroshock’s leaving wasn’t handled right and there may be legal issues. He said what Octagon did was an embarrassment to Lucha Libre and they still have a legal issue with him. He said they still hope to have Flamita (who was Octagon Jr. and just recently quit) back. That doesn’t look likely. He also said Rey Mysterio Jr. is thrilled to be returning for the World Cup. Mysterio only had two dates left on his contract and the World Cup is two dates. It’s a weird situation since Konnan works as Mysterio’s booker and he and AAA are at odds. It’s also been noted that at the press conference, there was no video of Mysterio talking about the tournament, nor was he there, nor has he pushed it on his Twitter. Roldan said that Mysterio’s two partners will surprise everyone. Blue Demon Jr. was added to the World Cup as part of the legends team with Canek & La Parka. Also, for the women’s World Cup, Team Canada was announced as Taya & Allie (Laura Dennis/Cherry Bomb from TNA, who is the backstage woman who plays Maria Bennett’s assistant) & K.C. Spinelli."
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Re: AAA

Post by TKD » Thu May 19, 2016 5:15 am

Amazing. It's *almost* as if Dorian willfully has his head in the sand. He certainly seems to care more about name ownership than about who can actually help the roster. This actually kind of reminds me of CMLL's reaction when Místico I left for WWE. "We still own the Místico name," or something along those lines.

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Re: AAA

Post by Chismo » Thu May 19, 2016 5:32 am

Demon, Parka and Canek on the same team, jeeeez! Watch them go all the way to the Final. Would be interesting to pair them against Texano, Pentagon and Psycho to see who gets cheered, it was rather surprising (to me) Parka was booed at Rey de Reyes during the closing stretch with Pentagon. I say "surprising" because that motherfucker is always cheered no matter what.

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Re: AAA

Post by ayaashm » Thu May 26, 2016 4:25 am

Today's Observer : "AAA has announced the complete lineup for its second annual Victoria World Cup, which takes place on 6/3 in Puebla and 6/5 at Palacio de los Deportes in Mexico City.

There is an eight-team male trios tournament and this year they are adding a four-team women’s tournament. Dorian Roldan announced that the finals would air worldwide on iPPV.

To counter, CMLL has announced the return of the World Grand Prix tournament, which used to be a fixture on the schedule, but hasn’t been done since 2006. They didn’t announce dates but did say they are bringing in talent from all over the world.

The tournament will be a single elimination with six matches on the first night, four men’s matches and two women’s matches. The semifinals and finals of the men’s tournament, and the finals of the women’s tournament, take place on the second show. Last year they did the whole tournament in one night which made for a long show. But there would only be six tournament matches in Puebla and four in Mexico City, so not sure how they would fill up those shows. They did do third place matches last year, so those could be added to the final night which gets them up to six matches.

This tournament is unique, because AAA runs it, but it’s not part of AAA storylines and the idea is for it to be like the World Cup with teams coming from all over the world. There has been talk of doing the 2017 version in Japan, but who knows how serious that is.

The men’s tournament has:

*Team Japan NOAH: Taiji Ishimori & Naomichi Marufuji & Maybach Taniguchi

*Team Japan Ouduo/Zero One: Akebono & Masato Tanaka & Ikuto Hidaka

*Team Mexico AAA: Pentagon Jr. & El Texano Jr. & Psycho Clown
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*Team TNA U.S.: Ethan Carter III & Tyrus & Eli Drake

*Team International: Mil Muertes & Apolo & Rockstar Spud

The women’s tournament has:

*Team Japan Wave & Oz Academy: Aja Kong & Yuki Miyazaki & Natsu Sumire

*Team Mexico AAA: Lady Apache & Fabi Apache & Mari Apache

*Team U.S: Santana Garrett & Cheerleader Melissa & Sienna (TNA, Allisyn Kay)

*Team Canada: Taya & Allie (TNA, Laura “Cherry Bomb” Dennis) & K.C. Spinelli

The Team Mexico AAA team was picked by a series of multi–person matches at TV tapings and Psycho Clown and Texano had a brutal feud, although Texano was turned on by Team Trump so he’s siding with Mexico. Pentagon Jr., although super popular, is still a heel.
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The TNA team has two heels in Tyrus and Drake teaming with a face Carter. The international team is weird because Muertes is an AAA regular as Mesias and an LU regular, but he’s on an international team. He’s never worked as Muertes in Mexico and Mesias has been one of AAA’s top stars for years including as a former champion. This is Terry Funk as the masked Chainsaw Charlie weird in the sense everyone knows him and him playing a supernatural power when he’s been a normal guy for years is strange. Apolo is the former Puerto Rican star of the 90s who worked in TNA for a while. Why him is a question. Perhaps they wanted someone from Puerto Rico (although Mesias is known as being from Puerto Rico). On the women’s side, Melissa is coming in as Cheerleader Melissa and not Mariposa, her TNA name.

Last year’s tournament was clearly a showcase for the AAA Dream Team of Mysterio & Myzteziz & Alberto El Patron, who a year later are all basically gone from the promotion (this is Mysterio’s first match with the promotion all year and he’s fulfilling his last two dates here). It was considered a big success so Victoria decided to underwrite it again, but it doesn’t have that Dream Team hook the first year had."
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Re: AAA

Post by Paisley Park » Thu May 26, 2016 4:57 am

hey, can you edit out that LU spoiler?
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Re: AAA

Post by ayaashm » Thu May 26, 2016 5:16 am

Paisley Park wrote:hey, can you edit out that LU spoiler?

Yes, I will. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Re: AAA

Post by RobViper13 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:25 am

This week AAA aired part 1 of the rescheduled, moved, moved again, moved back, taping from Pachuca on 5/31. It sold out. That's the good spin AAA will tell you. The bad news they won't tell you is it looks to be the lowest drawing AAA taping in many years. Perhaps back to the dark days of 2000/2001 when they'd run similar small buildings like Arena Aficion. They also cancelled their major event set for next week and traded it in for 3 TV tapings at small-ish venues in the Mexico City area. If you know anything about AAA business those are all huge warning signs of best case scenario: MAJOR disorganization or worst case scenario: huge warning signs of impending doom. I won't even go into the issues of the shrinking roster, losing regular local promoters & controversies the company is trying to ignore so they go away.

Something's not right with this company and the atroicous wrestling they are presenting on TV weekly is far from the main issue.
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Re: AAA

Post by thecubsfan » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:13 pm

The Lucha World Cup is paid for by Victoria (who, even if it doesn't turn a profit, can write off the losses as brand activation or whatever.) Here's a list of the other recent AAA major shows since December

Guerra de Titanes: announced, postponed within two weeks of the show, eventually takes place in a different location (Mexico City)
Rey de Reyes: announced, postponed within two weeks of the show, eventually takes place in a different location (San Luis Potosi)
Verano de Escandalo: announced, postponed within two weeks of the show, probably eventually takes place in a different location (Mexico City)

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Re: AAA

Post by Chismo » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:01 am

Look everyone, AAA has (finally) put together a good-looking card:
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What happened? What went right?

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