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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:29 pm
by Rainmaker_F7


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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:19 pm
by K. Hare
K. Hare wrote:And people actually were thinking Sami Callihan was switchblade
I posted this when I thought Jericho was switchblade lol

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:22 pm
by K. Hare
The Kevstaaa wrote:Omega/Jericho and Tanahashi/White are certainly intriguing. Young Bucks getting the Dome title shot just makes me yawn. The four way was surprising because I expected Ospreay to retain and then get a three way at WK12. Putting the title on Scurll feels like one of those Gedo tropes where he just moves titles for the sake of it sometimes.
I see it as, Ospreay interrupted Hiromu and won, Scrull interrupted Hiromu and won, now Hiromu finally challenged so he'll get his win.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:42 pm
by Danwaka
Some people are already suggesting Jericho and Omega should have a full program and trade the US belt. I can't think of anything worse than Chris Jericho beating Omega and holding a NJPW belt in 2017. That's like, some really ROH/TNA stuff right there. Is it weird I like my puro better when I have less casual international fans to share it with?

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:03 pm
by King Of Indy Style
Really not big on Jericho/Omega to be quite honest. It's a big deal to get, essentially, a WWE-Lifer in Jericho to work a New Japan show again, yeah, but I really don't see the match being all that great. And who the fuck knows what Ibushi will be up too this time next year. I'd really hate if they didn't go with Ibushi/Omega when they had the chance so they could get Jericho on the card.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:38 pm
by Jacob's Bawks
Being someone who cares less about workrate and 'objectively' great matches, I'm looking at these developments and this is the freshest NJPW's felt since I started watching.

Since Jericho's slowed down and this is a slower style, I'm thinking working in NJPW will be better than WWE but no doubt Kenny will still be doing some carrying physically. I'm down with it for the spectacle but unless Jericho stays for a few tours and there's some fuckery involved he should not win.

Jay White's positioning scares me; there's no room for post-excursion jitters in this spot unless the IC title moves a few slots down the card. But goddamn he's gotten big. He looked like a junior until he took off his coat. I'm definitely anxious about his role in the WTL seeing as he's back in Japan and could play a role. Cobb's partner perhaps?

RoH Title will get maybe 10-15 minutes, so Cody can turn down the shtick and Ibushi can kick his head off and save RoH. Young Bucks vs. RPG 3K is the right way to go. They're going all-in on 3K and though I'm not sure I'd have booked them this strong, they're the most over Jr Tag in ever so they shouldn't lose to the Bucks.

For the four way..... sheesh. I didn't feel Scurll/Ospreay a whole lot but the combining and intermingling of two hot international junior feuds these last few months isn't something I'm against, now that I see it playing out. I'd not be surprised if the Junior division revolves around those four in 2018, keeping both big feuds (Hiromu/KUSHIDA; Ospreay/Scurll) going strong and fresh, but I'm uncertain about Marty. He's not over there enough and the crowd didn't take to him much tonight (the match, along with Scurll's recent performances, was pretty dry). I'm not disappointed, it'll be a really hectic and fun match, but I'm uncertain where Scurll fits going forward and how he'll be taken to. Perhaps after WK he goes away and it's Hiromu/Ospreay/KUSHIDA again. Wherever it goes, I'm certainly interested.

Lastly, I hope Minoru Suzuki doesn't fight Ishii. Ishii being NEVER Champ again feels old, and I'd much rather he and Goto go for the Tag Titles. I think the only person he owes a rematch to is EVIL but he has the Trios Title to defend in the gauntlet.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:51 pm
by Frank Olson
Power Struggle was a really wild show. Definitely one of the most eventful shows of the year, and probably one of my favorites when all is said and done.

Young Bucks vs. Dragon Lee/Titan wasn't quite as nuts as I was hoping it would be, but it was still a fun spotfest and probably the best opener on a big New Japan show this year.

The Dads vs. Bullet Club C-team match was nothing special, but I do have to give props to Chase Owens for working his ass off to make the match watchable when the other 5 guys were all clearly taking the night off. I don't remember Cody or Yujiro doing anything in this match, aside from Cody's kiss the ring stuff at the very beginning. I wonder how they decide when Yujiro gets the entrance with the ladies. He did almost literally nothing in this match.

The Super Jr Tag final was a really good match, although I felt that it was probably Roppongi 3K's least inspired performance so far. The match really came off as more of a showcase for Taguchi and ACH, who both gave great performances. SHO and YOH were still good, but to me they didn't really come off like stars in this match the way they did at King of Pro Wrestling or throughout the rest of this tournament. The Wrestle Kingdom match with the Young Bucks should be spectacular, though.

The one truly bad match on the show was the NEVER Title Bullrope match. I'm someone who really enjoys Yano, but I've hated Suzuki's NEVER Title run this year. Outside of the YOSHI-HASHI Korakuen match (which I liked better than most people) it feels like all of his defenses have just been the same lazy, interference-heavy brawls.

The Jr Title match was very good, although for me none of Ospreay and Scurll's recent bouts have come close to living up to their outstanding Rev Pro High Stakes 2016 match. I'm not crazy about the quickie title change, but I don't mind the Wrestle Kingdom match being a 4-Way. I expect it to be a highlight of Wrestle Kingdom.

The US Title match was great and I thought that Beretta came off really well, although it didn't quite feel like the crowd believed in him, maybe because the build to the match was pretty rushed. Beretta and Omega both took some wild bumps in the match. There were some pretty innovative spots too, both with the table and with that crazy German suplex that Beretta did while sliding out of the ring.

The IC Title match was the highlight of the show as expected, and for me the best of the three Tanahashi/Ibushi matches. Ibushi physically preventing Red Shoes from continuing his count while he was attacking Tanahashi in the corner was a great moment. They did a great job playing off of what happened in the G1.

I have to say that I'm a little deflated by the announcement of Chris Jericho facing Kenny Omega at the Dome. On the one hand it was a genuinely big surprise (the Purocast guys had theorized about it on their most recent episode, but also only gave it about a 1% chance of actually happening) and I can definitely see how this will bring a lot of new eyes to New Japan, which is obviously a good thing. Jericho was one of my favorites back when I was actually watching WWE, but I wonder if he can really keep up with Kenny in the ring now that he's nearing 50. I really, really wanted to see that Omega/Ibushi match that they've been foreshadowing all year, and now I wonder if it will ever actually happen. I'm sure that Okada/Naito will be a great main event, but I don't really see any match on the current Wrestle Kingdom lineup that strikes me as that transcendent bout that redefines what a ***** match is the way the Nakamura/Ibushi, Tanahashi/Okada, and Okada/Omega have been the past several years.

The match I'm most looking forward to at this point is Tanahashi/Jay White. We all assumed that they had big plans for White, but immediately putting him in a main event-level slot is a big surprise, at least to me. I thought his appearance at the end of this show came off really well. Having an intimate exchange with Tanahashi rather than cutting a promo on him made the confrontation feel unique, and White looks to be in amazing shape. My only slight fear is that with his all-black outfit that White will wind up in Bullet Club or Suzukigun, but considering the spot they're putting him in at Wrestle Kingdom I'm thinking that he may actually wind up leading his own stable, as theorized on a recent flagship episode.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:53 pm
by JB Gremlin
Jay White/ Tanahashi and Jericho/ Omega are certainly two of the more curious left field Wrestle Kingdom match ups in a while. I've enjoyed a lot of White in ROH over the last year but primarily thanks to guys working around him exceptionally well, I hope he brings it for what is a huge leap of faith on Gedo's part, got to presume Tanahashi likes him as well to green light the match. Purely from a match basis Jericho will be interesting with Omega if not balls to the wall crazy like an Ibushi match would have been (This is probably of benefit for Omega's career long term) but it's probably the best one off Omega semi-main you could get if you were looking at getting more American and British eyeballs on the biggest show of the year. I'm not going to complain about the Ibushi match we all dreamt about not happening because at this stage it's very clear that it's happening at some point. Not a fan however of the Junior booking, I love Scurll but Ospreay finally overcoming KUSHIDA only to lose in his first defence feels a bit flat the 4 way will no doubt be great and I'm sure they'll go crazy but just about any combination of singles would be equally as good and make the belt seem more important (which it had been doing of late).

It's crazy to think who is currently not on the line up for Wrestle Kingdom due to Jericho and White's matches. You could make a whole show of the year card with that talent, the roster is frankly ridiculous right now. (And if Cobb and Riddle are coming in it's only getting even busier)

Anyway, Power Struggle was an excellent show, RPG3K are still a bit rough around the edges but god damn if they haven't knocked it out the park in every match so far, I loved that ACH Taguchi match (****) and the Dome match should be even better!

Trent and Omega had one hell of a match, Omega has done very well in making sure his matches with Trent and Juice were all about getting them over in defeat and Trent did one hell of a job here, bumping like a mad man (as usual) and selling excellently, very well crafted match if a touch light on crowd heat early (****1/4)

Ospreay and Scurll was very good but not a patch on some of their previous matches for my money and again the crowd were a little cold for this until the shock finish where everyone (including myself) seemed utterly baffled for thirty seconds ***3/4

Tanahashi and Ibushi was possibly their best match together, Ibushi seemed to absolutely kill Tana with some of those punches, great, great stuff. ****1/2

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:54 pm
by Bloodbuzz Bunk
Count me in as one of the many who would have preferred Ibushi v Omega to Omega v Jericho. I'm not as down on Jericho's work rate as some are( I thought Owens and Jericho were MOTN at WM last year. I also thought Styles and Jericho was MOTN at WM the year before that).

Jericho does have a ceiling of 4.25 maybe 4.5 star match though and it's also clear that Jericho is desperately seeking out the buzziest names in wrestling to work with to stay relevant which is as admirable as it is vampiric. But can't help thinking this Jericho v Omega program would be better served headlining or co-headlining the March 25th 2018 Long Beach show. Especially if this is just a couple of appearances for Jericho before he makes nice and goes home again.

Gedo has some balls to put Jay White in this spot. I love White and I have been a big fan of his excursion. The match will deliver I'm sure but damn there is no margin for error.

Suzuki not having a clear opponent makes me think that rumor of ZSJ being put in SZG just so he and Suzuki can have a program is true. I wouldn't be surprised to see them be teamed up in WTL.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:01 pm
by Rich Kraetsch
Danwaka wrote:Some people are already suggesting Jericho and Omega should have a full program and trade the US belt. I can't think of anything worse than Chris Jericho beating Omega and holding a NJPW belt in 2017. That's like, some really ROH/TNA stuff right there. Is it weird I like my puro better when I have less casual international fans to share it with?
I like the Jericho/Omega match but I don't like Jericho winning the title. I think his best role is as a guy who comes in, adds subs to NJPW World and helps publicize NJPW in USA a bit. That's it.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:19 pm
by Danwaka
Bloodbuzz Bunk wrote:Suzuki not having a clear opponent makes me think that rumor of ZSJ being put in SZG just so he and Suzuki can have a program is true. I wouldn't be surprised to see them be teamed up in WTL.
I would much rather have Togi Makabe vs. Minoru Suzuki, personally. Sabre doesn't quite do it for me.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:03 pm
by PKThree
Whoever thought making Jay White look like a school shooter deserves a pay cut. I like the guy and I am stoked for the opportunity they are giving him to become a star right off the bat on his return. But good god that look is so bad it isn't even funny.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:05 pm
by Grammarian
SInce Ibushi appears to be wrestling Cody for the ROH title at the Dome, I can maybe see Ishii or Goto getting the shot at Suzuki. I never thought it would be KUSHIDA. It's a shame Elgin is back once again with seemingly nothing to do at the Dome.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:11 pm
by armsofsleep
Washed up Jericho and Cody getting singles match over BITW level guys like Elgin and ZSJ.

I mean what can you do.

Still hyped for the show (seeing if Jay White can hang, Bucks vs R3K) but this is a clear step below other recent years on paper.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:52 pm
by supersonic
NJPW fanboys sounding like irrational WWE fanboys a year ago when Goldberg slaughtered Lesnar. The goal is to grow the brand and expand the audience, except instead of just stacking the company Super Bowl with a major new but familiar name, but also penetrating on WWE’s territory in America.